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Popeye
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Where are those thousands? I only see 2 and I only hear about 2-3 more. |
Salam ALI,
You seem to be perpetuating the Muslim's common mistake that appearance is more important than content.
You are really scraping the bottom of some weird barrel, what will you prove to yourself?
How did you come to hear of this site?
How many people have been referred to this site?
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Trojan Horse
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Salam
5 people. I suppose that those thousands of ex Muslims do not come online but considering the fact that 324 people read my thread, I only got 5. And out of those 5, 3 did not give their own testimony. Other people assumed that they left Islam because of this site, like it was assumed that Escapingthepain left Islam because of this site. 1 out of the 5 i.e Nonbeliever12 did not clearly say that he was a Muslim but left Islam because of this site. Why say that thousands left because of this site when technically I got only 1 testimony, assuming that Love_Peace is telling the truth.
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ALI,
Who died and made you incharge of apostate statistics of this site?
If you see the light in Islam why do you not enter some of the forums and answer some questions in regards to mohammed's fabricated koran, and his own corrupted lifestyle.
Don't hide behind numbers, yes Islam may someday dominate the world scene, but does that make Islam the truth? Absolutely not. Just because people like you willingly choose not to question Islam's ridiculous claims, and breed like bloody mosquitoes that does'nt neccessarily make it a good thing.
If even a single person claims to have apostated because of this site, FFI has served its purpose, while seeds of doubt are planted in thousands of others who visit here on a regular basis. Someday these seeds will bear fruit.The fruits of freedom from the slavery of your 7th century cult.
Why don't you taste this forbidden fruit too?
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_ALI_
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
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| Not all will tell you their story. Nor you can listen them all even if they come up. Can you? You couldn't even show up for weeks. |
Again, I don't want anyone to tell me their story. You guys are busy people. Many Muslims to annoy, I get it. Just SAY that I became an apostate because of this site and confirm the fact that Ali Sina is not lying on the front page. And I bet you are right. Say fifty people come pop up and suddenly start posting "I became an apostate because of this site" I will probably run away, ashamed, humiliated. Right now, I think that this site has had no significant or insignificant reduction in the number of Muslims. So prove me wrong. Go to an Islamic forum and ask for reverts and you will get a very good response. But here, no results. I must admit, you guys argue really good. So good that I honestly expected atleast 10 people to just come online and post "I became an apostate because of this site" in the first 2 days. The fact is, no one came except 2 people.
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I beg your pardon. What is that book you refer to fashion these kind of hocus pocus?
Ali Sina wants, Many want, I want the whole world fight against terrorism. How does it help our cause if we mount and shriek we left Islam? Do you think we here in FFI are goons like you Muslims who believe quoting some Western writers, or trumpeting of a white’s conversion is going to help Islam a lot? |
I'll answer that. Now you guys equate terrorism with Islam so the fight against terrorism for you guys will be a fight against Islam. We Muslims believe that Muslim apostasies compared to apostasies is almost non-existent. I also believe that. That is one of the reasons why I consider Islam to be true. So if a large bunch of apostates come and post "I left Islam because of this site", my Iman will become weak. A muslim reading this forum, his/her Iman will also become really weak. Muslim reverts attract potential reverts so it would be natural that Muslim apostates would attract potential Muslim apostates. So more apostasies will take place, Islam will become weak and hence terrorism according to you guys will become weak. Very effective way to fight Islam if you ask me.
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| How exactly someone knowing we as ex-Muslims help our cause? What does it mean better way is proclaiming? I do the job fairly well engaging discussions, trampling Muslims who come across me. This time it is you on the other end. This is the way things work for us. |
The thing is, you guys don't have a lot of ex-Muslims here who left Islam because of this site so I bet you have no choice other than to trample. By the way, how is that working for you? Have you made an apostate? Ever? Is there any person whom you "trampled" who became an apostate later? Trampling is a very bad way of getting apostates in my opinion.
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| Boy.., you want to assess us with your tiny scale. I am not going to publish my testimony to convince. |
Oh no, please, I made a mistake. Publish your testimony, I really need to read it. I have nothing better to do in my life. By the way I'm being sarcastic. I have no interest in your's or anyone else's testimony. I just wanted to confirm what Ali Sina says on the front page that thousands left Islam because of this site. Don't give me a story, just say: I left Islam because of this site and that would be okay.
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| Besides, I don’t urge any ex-Muslim here to do so just to please or embarrass you. To make it simple: We are not here to dance to your tune. |
Actually I am dancing to your tune. It was Ali Sina who initially said that thousands left because of this site. As a Muslim, I am just asking politely that if thousands left, where are they? Why do I only see 2? You guys have a golden opportunity to weaken my Iman and the Iman of all Muslims reading this forum. Take it.
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| Two of the forummers were generous to reply you. Of the thousands FFI helped to leave Islam, few, quite a few should have joined the forum. Of this minority still quite a few have ever managed to post a testimony here. So what..?You mean FFI should put down the claim just because not all have joined this forum? When did it become a prerequisite to join FFI if any Muslim wants to discard Islam? |
There are 10339 registered users of FFI website and out of them, only 2 apostated because of this site? Sure, it is not necessary for an apostate to join the forum but I expected to meet more than 2 people who apostated because of FFI.
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How old are you really? Are you educated? Nursery doesn’t count btw,
We all read Ali Sina’s message. He does not command anyone to proclaim their apostasy. Why should he? Do you want to assess Ali Sina too with your usual Muslim scale? That tiny bit? |
I bet you have so many apostates because of the attitudes of your posters. You guys welcome us Muslims so nicely. And Ali Sina does tell you to struggle against Islam. What better way is there for ex-Muslims to struggle than to proclaim, I LEFT ISLAM BECAUSE OF THIS SITE
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You may have a point only if FFI claims the site is for ex-Muslims only. Does it?
Okay. Go on boy.., there are your crayons. Draw whatever you want. But puhleezzz don’t do much arithmetic on FFI. |
It doesn't, however, it does claim of "liberating" thousands of Muslims from the clutches of Islam. Where are they. Out of more than 10000 members of FFI, I only see 2.
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| Hello Ali. There are many things wrong with your logic, which may be why so few responses. People often aren't interested in responding to posts written with a clear-cut silly mindset. I myself am writing this reply just to procrastinate a bit with my work. |
I just want some ex-Muslims of FFI to claim that they left Islam because of this site to validate the claim of Ali Sina made on the front page. What is so wrong with this logic. It may not be perfect but it is the best method I can use to find the number of apostasies caused by this site. If you have any other suggestions, you are most welcome.
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| You forgot about re-reads, 18 different people have posted here so far, and each one is possibly watching the topic - so with each bump of the thread you could potentially get 18 new views, even if no new members read it and post. Significantly, nearly everyone either was an ex-Muslim or knew an ex-Muslim member of this site. And you've already had it pointed out that the tally should be five, not two. |
Subtract 200 rereads and still you have a large number i.e 900 and counting. And you guys know each other so it is not a significant fact that everyone knew an ex-Muslim member of this site because I bet everyone knows Jam and lovepeace. I initially wanted to count the guys who you mentioned in the official list of ex-Muslims who left Islam because of this site. So it would have been 5 instead of 2 and Sona would have been included in that list. However ixolite said
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| Sona is a troll. You better not believe anything out of his mouth. |
So I thought that I should only include those who come here themselves and say they left Islam because of this site. It is not something difficult to type so I wonder why people are making a fuss about it.
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| Why bother with the question if you're not ready to believe them? Maybe that's why the fish are not biting, tis a waste of the fishies effort... |
I never said I'm not ready to believe them. Normally I don't believe everything I read but I am giving you guys some rope. Even then, I only got 2 people. Come on, make it atleast 10 to just shut this Muslim up.
Ahem, most people do not remain active in the forum for very long.
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| Usually people join a discussion board when some problem pops up in their life and they need networking and solutions fast. It's the people like me, whose life is a continuous series of problems who actually thrive on fora. |
That is understandable since you spend your life infront of the computer screen criticizing a religion you don't even understand. Had you been a Muslim, your life would not have continuous series of problems.
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Salam ALI,
You seem to be perpetuating the Muslim's common mistake that appearance is more important than content.
You are really scraping the bottom of some weird barrel, what will you prove to yourself? |
I intend to prove to myself that all the claims of this website are fake such as the more than thousands apostasies
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ALI,
Who died and made you incharge of apostate statistics of this site? |
No one, I just wanted to see if the claim made by Ali Sina is really true. This is the only way I can do so. If you have a better method, please suggest one to me.
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| If you see the light in Islam why do you not enter some of the forums and answer some questions in regards to mohammed's fabricated koran, and his own corrupted lifestyle. |
All your questions and allegations have been answered in the links given in my signature. But I don't try to answer these allegations because 99% of the people here criticize for the sake of criticism. Why should I waste my time on you when I can go to Islamic forums and answer questions given by non-Muslims who genuinely want to know? Don't you think that is a better option, better than spending all my time on this site.
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| Don't hide behind numbers, yes Islam may someday dominate the world scene, but does that make Islam the truth? Absolutely not. Just because people like you willingly choose not to question Islam's ridiculous claims, and breed like bloody mosquitoes that does'nt neccessarily make it a good thing. |
That is really irrelevent to the topic. If you are an apostate who left Islam because of this site, please tell me. Then we can have 3 apostates.And I won't even bother quoting figures of reverts of Islam.
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If even a single person claims to have apostated because of this site, FFI has served its purpose, while seeds of doubt are planted in thousands of others who visit here on a regular basis. Someday these seeds will bear fruit.The fruits of freedom from the slavery of your 7th century cult.
Why don't you taste this forbidden fruit too? |
So atleast you admit that the claim made by Ali Sina can be wrong. As for the seed of doubt, I remember when I first read Ali Sina's articles in this website. I did become worried, I admit. I did not really start doubting, however, I did wonder how I can reply. That confused me. Then I saw and read so many rebuttals to Ali Sina's articles in the websites given in my signature. My Iman strengthened because I thought to myself, the criticism of Islam on faithfreedom is ruthless. If Islam can still withstand THAT kind of criticism, then it has to be the true religion. So FFI indirectly made my Iman really strong. I bet this occurs among Muslims. They come to this site, get confused, search for answers, find them and then realize that unlike all religions, Islam can even stand such brutal criticism. Their Iman also becomes strong. So I thank FFI for making our Iman strong. Like Allah says in the Quran
َ وَيَمْكُرُونَ وَيَمْكُرُ اللَّهُ وَاللَّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ
008.030 They plot and plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners is Allah.
Al-Qur'an, 008.030 (Al-Anfal [Spoils of War, Booty])
Text Copied from DivineIslam's Qur'an Viewer software v2.910
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Intelligent lad
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I decided to fight Islam after reading this site..
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Popeye
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I intend to prove to myself that all the claims of this website are fake such as the more than thousands apostasies
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The main claim of this website is against Mohammed, this website claims that he was:
a narcissist
a misogynist
a rapist
a paedophile
a lecher
a torturer
a mass murderer
a cult leader
an assassin
a terrorist
a looter
Prove that these are false claims.
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Aksel Ankersen
Joined: 13 May 2008
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Location: Away, sorry about this.
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Subtract 200 rereads and still you have a large number i.e 900 and counting. And you guys know each other so it is not a significant fact that everyone knew an ex-Muslim member of this site because I bet everyone knows Jam and lovepeace. I initially wanted to count the guys who you mentioned in the official list of ex-Muslims who left Islam because of this site. So it would have been 5 instead of 2 and Sona would have been included in that list. However ixolite said:
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| Sona is a troll. You better not believe anything out of his mouth. |
So I thought that I should only include those who come here themselves and say they left Islam because of this site. It is not something difficult to type so I wonder why people are making a fuss about it. |
You should still count Miss Ruby, that makes five apostates. So we have five apostate whose apostasy is directly influenced by FFI and about fifteen other members posted so far. Some of them were also apostates. We're not exactly running at carrying capacity but it's not too bad.
Also, your math is still flawed: There were thirty three posts in the thread inclusive of the one I'm replying too. Eighteen times thirty three equals 594. Of course the original eighteen are unlikely to all hang around, but this maybe balanced with random views by searchers from google etc. If you check the display at the bottom of the index you will see that the majority of visitors at any one time are unregistered and therefore probably curious passerby. And you haven't accounted for rereads of the thread for editing purposes etc. I'm going to read over this message after I post it f'rinstance, so I will count as two and not one viewers. Possibly more as I had to reread the thread from 1st page and count all the posters. You're method is full of uncertainty, you really can't prove anything with it.
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| It's the people like me, whose life is a continuous series of problems who actually thrive on fora. |
That is understandable since you spend your life infront of the computer screen criticizing a religion you don't even understand. Had you been a Muslim, your life would not have continuous series of problems. |
Actually, no, I spend my life solving problems. 
-Aksel
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IamFound
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I've been questioning Islam for years, but joining and participating in FFI finalized my decision to leave Islam for good.
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Haik Monsieur
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| So if a large bunch of apostates come and post "I left Islam because of this site", my Iman will become weak. |
Ali,
I have not much time to share with you, but it is interesting to read your "IMAN" is tied unto FFI and the apostates within..!
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| Have you made an apostate? Ever? Is there any person whom you "trampled" who became an apostate later? |
Yes. In my personal life, I have trampled many Muslims who later came to me attesting I am right and they are no longer Muslims. And if you mean here in FFI, I found one mentions my name (along with many of my friends' names) in her testimony. Here it is:
Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:18 pm Post subject: Jesus Saved my Life by Moza
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Dear friends,
Kindly bear with my bad English coz English is not my first language, I am an Arabic gilr from middle east
I want to share my experience here as a muslim, first being a muslim is so shameful for me after being here for the past few months, Now I am not a muslim & I am a free girl. Second iam so thankful to this FFI and its masters ( Ali Sina, Haik Monsieur, Sum, Yazwee, apricot and a lot of fantastic eye openers)
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54574&start=0
Is your IMAN = FAITH shaken now? Heck.. you said so in your post.
That's all from me,
Khalil
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drno
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Dear _ALI_
Your assumption is correct, This site especially Mr.Ali Sina who claims to have liberated muslims is not at all correct, Even a person who by birth is not muslim can make out that Ali Sina has written some junk novel about Muhammed [P.B.U.H] which is not at all true.
Also many members in this forum has multiple usernames, who claims to be different people. |
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AhmedBahgat
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Salam
Now I read an article about a single person having many usernames trying to defame Islam in forums.But I will assume that you guys are an honest bunch. So we have two people
1) love_peace 2) Nonbeliever12
Ampbreia gave 3 more names but I was more interested in people themselves saying that they left Islam because of this site. Nevertheless, we have three more
3)Escapingthepain 4)Wildchild 5)Sona2
But Escapingthepain himself/herself said that
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So we are down to 4 people who left Islam because of this site. Marley thought that Jam apostated because of this site but let us also count Jam. So we have a total of 5 people who apostated because of FFI. I thought that this site liberated thousands. I was given a warning on the front page:
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| Dear Muslim: If you love your faith and want to keep it, leave this site NOW. We have set thousands of Muslims free. |
5 people. I suppose that those thousands of ex Muslims do not come online but considering the fact that 324 people read my thread, I only got 5. And out of those 5, 3 did not give their own testimony. Other people assumed that they left Islam because of this site, like it was assumed that Escapingthepain left Islam because of this site. 1 out of the 5 i.e Nonbeliever12 did not clearly say that he was a Muslim but left Islam because of this site. Why say that thousands left because of this site when technically I got only 1 testimony, assuming that Love_Peace is telling the truth.
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That must be another mother of all slams:
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_ALI_
That was a a very good systematic analysis. You busted a lot of ghosts.
I will narrow it down to two. May be Ali Sina plus another.
I still doubt the others are ex-Muslims. It is a very rare breed. Most of the posters acting as ex-Muslims appear to be Christians and Hindus.
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| I just left on my own. It was Islamic sources that made me leave Islam. Some other ex-muslim websites--I don't recall which ones--may have reinforced my decisions merely by displaying certain Hadith, which I found offensive. |
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_ALI_
That was a a very good systematic analysis. You busted a lot of ghosts.
I will narrow it down to two. May be Ali Sina plus another.
I still doubt the others are ex-Muslims. It is a very rare breed. Most of the posters acting as ex-Muslims appear to be Christians and Hindus. |
Wishful thinking. They are a rare breed because they are threatened, so they don't come out of the closet. My parents don't know I'm not a muslim. So, of course, there appear to be less than than there actually are. Just common sense. No one knows who is really an ex-muslim for sure. Actually, no one knew, even though I left Islam at age 13. Maybe age 16 was the first time I told anyone, and I was about 24 before I started to be fairly open about it to most people. Up until then, essentially only one or two people knew about it because I only mentioned it anomously on the internet a few times.
There are entire organizations of ex-muslims. |
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When I was a Muslim I came to this site to protest against it. Over time this site, as well as other fellow Muslims, made me think about the truth.
The truth is that Islam is false. It is a religion created by Muhammad and he is the only witness. After reading about his life, his witness is not worth anything.
I left Islam because of this site and for other reasons. I am now anti-religious, and work to expose all religions as being false, including Christianity.
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Dear _ALI_
Your assumption is correct, This site especially Mr.Ali Sina who claims to have liberated muslims is not at all correct, Even a person who by birth is not muslim can make out that Ali Sina has written some junk novel about Muhammed [P.B.U.H] which is not at all true.
Also many members in this forum has multiple usernames, who claims to be different people. |
Ali Sina has offered a reward for anyone who can prove any of his claims against Muhammad to be false.
No one has ever disproved him, and that includes the best Islamic scholars on earth.
So ... would you care to try?
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